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		<title>Comment on Nativity Paintings by Nory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nory</dc:creator>
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		<description>Michelle, thanks for your reply.
Is there any way I can share my creation on your website?

Just wondering.

Thanks,
Nory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, thanks for your reply.<br />
Is there any way I can share my creation on your website?</p>
<p>Just wondering.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Nory</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nativity Paintings by Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
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		<description>You are most welcome Nory. I&#039;m so glad that these beautiful paintings will find new life in your jewelry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are most welcome Nory. I&#8217;m so glad that these beautiful paintings will find new life in your jewelry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nativity Paintings by Nory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your website thanks for sharing all the beautiful vintage images. I am very excited to incorporate them in my new creation of jewelry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your website thanks for sharing all the beautiful vintage images. I am very excited to incorporate them in my new creation of jewelry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Export Licenses by Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tadeuesz,

Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. Please accept my apologies for the long delay in getting it to you.

I&#039;ve never really been a fan of the folks who amass large collections of beautiful art and then stash it all away in some vault where no one can ever enjoy it. It would certainly be a shame if only those with the deepest pockets could ever see and enjoy a Manet, a da Vinci or the works of any of the thousands of other great artists who have plied their trade through the centuries.

I agree that countries have a vested interest in keeping their artistic heritage inside their country. Egypt certainly has become well-known for protecting their historical, artistic treasures. Though after the wholesale robbing of tombs that went on in the early years of the 20th century, it&#039;s no wonder they have implemented such strict rules about their antiquities.

The British way does have the benefit of setting the market price for a piece before allowing museums to purchase the work but only when the painting is being put up for sale. 

I didn&#039;t include it in the original article, but the British citizen who owned the Watteau painting I mentioned had paid over $12 million pounds for the painting in 2008 after the painting had been out of circulation for around 160 years. The owner was not trying to sell it, he was planning on allowing it to be hung in an American museum when the Committee interceded. This was a case of the owner trying to allow the public to view the work and yet he was initially told that UK museums must be afforded the opportunity to purchase the painting before it could leave the country. 

As far as I could determine, the anonymous winner of the 2008 auction is still the owner, even if the painting is currently on display in the Frick Museum in New York. I don&#039;t know if I read everything right but the owner&#039;s offer to let the painting travel to museums outside of the UK almost led to the forced sale of the painting. By any measure, that would seem to defy most any concept of personal ownership and almost extend into the seizure of personal property. Even more so given the difference between the owner&#039;s insurance value of £20 million and the Committee&#039;s valuation that was £2.5 million less. (I realize insurance estimates are generally higher than open market estimates but the price disparity must have been a double blow to an owner simply trying to share his painting with the world...even if it was going to be us Yanks.)

I guess I had just always thought that if a museum or other institution wanted to obtain a piece that they simply had to compete with the other bidders. In a way, that would seem to be the most fair way - from a free-market sort of view. From a cultural heritage perspective, putting export controls in place makes sense too. But, it does raise the question of a private individual being able to do what they wish with their belongings. I never suspected that a country, its museums and other public institutions were given so much time to raise funds to purchase a specific piece rather than let it move from one private individual to another or to prevent a piece from leaving the country for exhibition purposes.

In the end, I suppose there&#039;s no completely &quot;fair&quot; way to both maintain and protect antiquities while protecting private property ownership interests. I guess the good news is that every effort is made to provide owners with fair compensation for their antiquities rather than having  all privately owned art confiscated in an effort to ensure it remains within a country&#039;s borders and is available to everyone to enjoy.

Tadeuesz, I did take a moment to explore your blog. I love your work. There&#039;s a joy about it that comes through all of the paintings I saw. Thank you for visiting Art Filled Days and sharing your views on this topic.


Michele</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tadeuesz,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. Please accept my apologies for the long delay in getting it to you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never really been a fan of the folks who amass large collections of beautiful art and then stash it all away in some vault where no one can ever enjoy it. It would certainly be a shame if only those with the deepest pockets could ever see and enjoy a Manet, a da Vinci or the works of any of the thousands of other great artists who have plied their trade through the centuries.</p>
<p>I agree that countries have a vested interest in keeping their artistic heritage inside their country. Egypt certainly has become well-known for protecting their historical, artistic treasures. Though after the wholesale robbing of tombs that went on in the early years of the 20th century, it&#8217;s no wonder they have implemented such strict rules about their antiquities.</p>
<p>The British way does have the benefit of setting the market price for a piece before allowing museums to purchase the work but only when the painting is being put up for sale. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t include it in the original article, but the British citizen who owned the Watteau painting I mentioned had paid over $12 million pounds for the painting in 2008 after the painting had been out of circulation for around 160 years. The owner was not trying to sell it, he was planning on allowing it to be hung in an American museum when the Committee interceded. This was a case of the owner trying to allow the public to view the work and yet he was initially told that UK museums must be afforded the opportunity to purchase the painting before it could leave the country. </p>
<p>As far as I could determine, the anonymous winner of the 2008 auction is still the owner, even if the painting is currently on display in the Frick Museum in New York. I don&#8217;t know if I read everything right but the owner&#8217;s offer to let the painting travel to museums outside of the UK almost led to the forced sale of the painting. By any measure, that would seem to defy most any concept of personal ownership and almost extend into the seizure of personal property. Even more so given the difference between the owner&#8217;s insurance value of £20 million and the Committee&#8217;s valuation that was £2.5 million less. (I realize insurance estimates are generally higher than open market estimates but the price disparity must have been a double blow to an owner simply trying to share his painting with the world&#8230;even if it was going to be us Yanks.)</p>
<p>I guess I had just always thought that if a museum or other institution wanted to obtain a piece that they simply had to compete with the other bidders. In a way, that would seem to be the most fair way &#8211; from a free-market sort of view. From a cultural heritage perspective, putting export controls in place makes sense too. But, it does raise the question of a private individual being able to do what they wish with their belongings. I never suspected that a country, its museums and other public institutions were given so much time to raise funds to purchase a specific piece rather than let it move from one private individual to another or to prevent a piece from leaving the country for exhibition purposes.</p>
<p>In the end, I suppose there&#8217;s no completely &#8220;fair&#8221; way to both maintain and protect antiquities while protecting private property ownership interests. I guess the good news is that every effort is made to provide owners with fair compensation for their antiquities rather than having  all privately owned art confiscated in an effort to ensure it remains within a country&#8217;s borders and is available to everyone to enjoy.</p>
<p>Tadeuesz, I did take a moment to explore your blog. I love your work. There&#8217;s a joy about it that comes through all of the paintings I saw. Thank you for visiting Art Filled Days and sharing your views on this topic.</p>
<p>Michele</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Export Licenses by Tadeusz Deregowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tadeusz Deregowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many countries require export licenses for artworks, and often it is considerably more restrictive: in Brazil, for instance,  the artwork needn&#039;t be fifty years old, it could have been painted yesterday. 

The law in the UK gives an advantage to museums, it is true, but the notions behind this advantage are that of public benefit and cultural value.

Surely it is not so difficult for someone who must have visited innumerable public collections to understand these ideas and the benefits to society, educational, recreational and touristic that come from having art available through the (usually excellent, free) public museums that characterise almost all major UK cities.

It isn&#039;t unfair to owners as the price they get is still based on public auction value, though I agree that the process probably does dampen the enthusiasm both of buyers and sellers. On the other hand, the fact of an artwork having been in a public gallery, and thus widely exsposed, almost certainly increases its value.

TD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many countries require export licenses for artworks, and often it is considerably more restrictive: in Brazil, for instance,  the artwork needn&#8217;t be fifty years old, it could have been painted yesterday. </p>
<p>The law in the UK gives an advantage to museums, it is true, but the notions behind this advantage are that of public benefit and cultural value.</p>
<p>Surely it is not so difficult for someone who must have visited innumerable public collections to understand these ideas and the benefits to society, educational, recreational and touristic that come from having art available through the (usually excellent, free) public museums that characterise almost all major UK cities.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t unfair to owners as the price they get is still based on public auction value, though I agree that the process probably does dampen the enthusiasm both of buyers and sellers. On the other hand, the fact of an artwork having been in a public gallery, and thus widely exsposed, almost certainly increases its value.</p>
<p>TD<br />
<span class="cluv">Tadeusz Deregowski recently posted..<a class="0fd3e2feef 415" rel="nofollow" href="http://tadeuszderegowski.blogspot.com/2012/08/whizz-car-descending-hill.html">Whizz! A car descending a hill</a></span></p>
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